LDS Church ONLY Has the Patriarchal Priesthood

Dear Brother, Proponent of Ordain Women:

The LDS Church ONLY has the Patriarchal Priesthood to give to its members. The LDS Church can ONLY ordain its members into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God. The LDS Church doesn't have in place the other Order of the Priesthood to ordain its members into.

I don't envy you your chosen cause. You are asking for something that can't be done in the True Church of God. Even God can't ordain a woman into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

I don't know much, but there is one thing I can tell you about you and the Ordain Women movement: the burden of proof resides with you, because you and your constituents are the ones who are wanting a change. You are going to have to convince the rest of us that your desired change is actually good for us.

If I and others like me stay quiet, then the status quo remains. We already know that.

What I am trying to do here is to help your constituents to see the truth. Truth tells us how the status quo came into being, why the status quo should remain the same today, and predicts that the status quo will remain the same forever.

I want you and your constituents to see and realize that you can change your minds (repent) and accept the will of the Lord as it has been revealed to us and that you don't have to be excommunicated if you don't want to be.

My hat goes off to you, and I salute you. They have chosen their prophet well. You are good at what you do. You quote scripture and Priesthood handbooks, and only mix in a very little of the philosophies of men. Of course, the couple of philosophies of men that you mix in are real killers; they are real doozies. But, you are good at what you do, preaching for their cause. They should be proud of their choice, or feel lucky to have you.

Once again, I will try to open your eyes to the full impact of what you are trying to achieve here. I don't envy you, your choice, or your mission. As I see it, it will be an uphill battle all the way into the large and spacious building, if you choose to stick with it. As you already know, I don't want to go there with you.

The Challenge:

If you want real and permanent change within the LDS Church, then you are going to have to convert 15 million Latter-day Saints to your cause. Let me say that you are not going to convert millions of fundamentally flawed Latter-day Saints like me to your cause by taking our words out of context, thus changing their meaning, and then shooting them down. It's not going to work. You are going to have to play the game by our rules if you are going to have success converting us to your cause. The problem is that each Latter-day Saint is going to have his or her own set of rules or beliefs that you are going to have to overcome if you are going to convert each one of us to your cause. And, you are going to have to come to each one of us in person and win us over, if you are going to succeed in converting every one of us to your cause, because the burden of proof or the burden of conversion is upon you because you are the one who wants the major change. Otherwise, we will continue to have satus quo.

I can't speak for others, but I can tell you that your tactics, message, and methods aren't winning me over to your cause. But then, you don't need me. Instead, you need 15 million other Latter-day Saints like me converted to your cause, if you are ever going to get what you want, universal Ordination of Women throughout the LDS Church.

Four Obstacles:

As I see it, you need four things in order to get exactly what you and your constituents want.

First, you have to successfully change the Lord's mind, and then at the same time you have to convince 15 million Latter-day Saints that the Lord truly changed His mind and decided to ordain women to His Patriarchal Priesthood. You are going to have to convert the Lord to your cause. I wish you luck in that endeavor. I prophecy and predict that it isn't going to happen.

Why? The Priesthood is fundamentally at the core of what God the Father IS. God is the Priesthood, and the Priesthood is God. They are inseparable. In order for women to truly be ordained into the Priesthood of God, only God can give it to them. If God says “no”, then the women will never have the Priesthood of God, even if LDS General Authorities start ordaining women to the Priesthood. Even if LDS Apostles start ordaining women to the Priesthood, the women will NOT have the Priesthood of God, unless God Himself sustains and gives approval to the action.

In the end, the Priesthood belongs to God, and only He can give it to people in a way that will be Eternal and Everlasting. God's Patriarchal Priesthood Authority and Patriarchal Priesthood Ordinations have only been given to males, and thus I prophecy or predict that the satus quo will remain for all Eternity, even if LDS Apostles start ordaining women to the Patriarchal Priesthood. When it comes to ordaining women to the Priesthood of the LDS Church, the Lord won't sustain the action even if the action is performed in His Own Church by His Apostles. That is the mind and the will of the Lord as it has been currently revealed to us.

Yes, we all know that God changes His mind all the time, especially when it comes to policies and procedures. But, God is powerless to change what He really IS. What God really is, His Patriarchal Priesthood, will NEVER change. God is Eternal, and so is His Priesthood. It will NEVER change. I testify that it is so.

Where is the main drive for Gay Marriage, Ordaining Women, and Changing the Commandments of God really coming from within the Christian community?

Well, the Mormons are the most resistant to change. You are not seeing any of that there on a large scale. So, what about the Catholics? The Catholics have changed some of the Commandments of God and the Ordinances of God, but they are pretty solid against Gay Marriage and giving the women the Priesthood. Instead, we see all of this coming from the Protestants. What do we know about the Protestants? We know that the Protestants are masters when it comes to changing the commandments and the covenants and the ordinances and the ordinations of God, because they have been doing so for hundreds of years. In the Protestant Community, if you want Gay Marriage, then you take up a vote in your Protestant congregation. If the vote turns out the way you want it, then you stay. If the vote goes against you, then you find another Protestant Church that will give you exactly what you want. That's the way it works.

In the Protestant Community, if you want a Christian church that ordains women to the Priesthood, then you shop around until you find one; but then, you have to realize that they really don't have the Priesthood of God, so it really doesn't matter whether they ordain women to their priesthood or not, because what they have isn't the real deal; and, God Himself doesn't support or sustain their priesthood ordinations.

In order to get what you want, you are going to have to convert God to your point of view. I prophecy and predict that it isn't going to happen, because God can't change what He really IS.

Second, in order to get what you want, the Universal Ordination of Women into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood within the LDS Church, then you are going to have to convert all of the LDS General Authorities to your way of thinking. I predict that if you can convert all of them to your way of thinking that the majority of the Latter-day Saints will eventually come around to your way of thinking. But, you are going to have to get all of the LDS General Authorities unanimously converted to your cause if you are going to get the vast majority of the Latter-day Saints to convert to your cause.

So, how do you go about doing that? I don't know. I leave that up to you, because it is you and your constituents who are wanting a change. I'm satisfied with the way things are.

Third, you are going to have to convert the majority of the Latter-day Saints to your point of view if you are going to successfully achieve what you are trying to achieve, and have Women being Ordained into Patriarchal Offices within the LDS Church. You are going to have to start up a huge expensive missionary program and convert literally millions of us fundamentally flawed Latter-day Saints to your cause if you are going to get any of us to follow you over into the new church that you and your constituents intend to create and promote. You are not going to get the majority of the Latter-day Saints to follow you, so you are going to have to start up your own church, a new church.

I am curious to know that since all the good positions, Prophet, Bishop, High Priest, Father, Pastor, and Apostles will be filled by women, what jobs or roles are going to be left and open to men like me? What's your title or role going to be? I'm assuming that you are male, of course. Since in your new Church, the women will be ordained to all the choice positions, what is going to remain for us fundamentally flawed males to do? As I see it, they aren't going to have any need for any of us once they have gotten what they want.

Anyway, I'm not eager to convert to your cause, because I can't see how it is better for me than the cause that I'm already converted to. I don't want what you are selling. Nevertheless, you are going to have to sell the majority of the Latter-day Saints on your cause if you are going to get what you want, the conversion of the majority of the Latter-day Saints to your Ordain Women cause. It's not going to be like the Gay Marriage issue where you have to convert the courts or the majority of the legislature to your cause in order to truly win. You are going to have to convert the majority of the LDS populace to your cause, heart, mind, and soul before you are going to get what you want within the LDS Church.

Which leads us to Number Four:

In order to convert 15 million Latter-day Saints to your cause, you are going to have to convince us that your cause is infinitely better than the one we already have! Tell me how doing it your way is infinitely better than doing it the Lord's way or the way that the Lord is currently doing it. Tell me how doing it your way is much better than the way we are currently doing it. I'm not seeing it.

I have no interest in equality or homogeneity between the sexes. I already know that women are vastly superior in some things than men. I also know that men are vastly superior in some things than women. They are not equal, and they are not the same, and they are not meant to be; and, I don't want them to be. I already know that God created us purposefully different and purposefully unequal for a Divine, Wise, and Glorious purpose. I don't want God to make us equal and the same. I want God to keep us just the way we are, different and complementary. My wife's strengths compensate for my weaknesses, and my strength's compensate for her weaknesses. Together, we are better than the sum of our parts.

I want to do things God's way, not your way. That's just the way I am. From my point of view, God's way is infinitely better than your way and the Ordain Women way. If I wanted to do things your way, then I would leave the LDS Church and go join one of the Protestant Churches that are already doing it all your way. That would be much easier to do than to try to convert God and the whole LDS Church to your way of thinking. That's just the way I see it. I don't envy your cause or mission. I don't want to participate in your cause. I don't want to support it or sustain it. I want to do it God's way instead. His way is the better way. His way is The Way, The Truth, and The Life.

The Only Priesthood Available from the LDS Church IS Patriarchal Priesthood:

Here on LDS Freedom Forum, I have tried to help everyone to see things from the Lord's point of view. I believe that I have covered this from just about every angle that I can.

But, before I fade away:

The Certified Pattern for Priesthood Continuance:

Elder Russell M. Nelson, Constancy amid Change, Ensign (CR), November 1993, p.33:

Scriptures certify that the priesthood has continued and will continue "through the lineage of the fathers" (D&C 86:8).

Ordination to its offices has timeless implication as well. Tenure in priesthood office may extend into postmortal realms. For example, scriptures declare that one ordained as a high priest may be a high priest forever.

Promised blessings of the priesthood extend to men, women, and children throughout the world and may endure forever.

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The Priesthood of God in the LDS Church is Patriarchal:

The Patriarchal Priesthood always travels from the fathers to the sons. In Heaven, the Patriarchal Priesthood also travels from the Father to the Son. It's always Patriarchal, and it only travels from male to male. That's the way it has always been, and that's the way it will always be. The Patriarchal Priesthood Ordinations never travel through the Goddesses or the Queens. The Patriarchal Priesthood Ordinations always travel through the Gods, from Father to Son.

D&C 84: 6-17:

6 And the sons of Moses, according to the Holy Priesthood which he received under the hand of his father-in-law, Jethro;

7 And Jethro received it under the hand of Caleb;

8 And Caleb received it under the hand of Elihu;

9 And Elihu under the hand of Jeremy;

10 And Jeremy under the hand of Gad;

11 And Gad under the hand of Esaias;

12 And Esaias received it under the hand of God.

13 Esaias also lived in the days of Abraham, and was blessed of him --

14 Which Abraham received the priesthood from Melchizedek, who received it through the lineage of his fathers, even till Noah;

15 And from Noah till Enoch, through the lineage of their fathers;

16 And from Enoch to Abel, who was slain by the conspiracy of his brother, who received the priesthood by the commandments of God, by the hand of his father Adam, who was the first man --

17 Which priesthood continueth in the church of God in all generations, and is without beginning of days or end of years.

Show me a woman anywhere in this Patriarchal Priesthood lineage. You won't find her, because she doesn't exist. In the True Church of God here on this earth, the Priesthood of God travels through the fathers to the sons. God has Ordained it to be so.

God is not going to change His mind! Why? To understand that, you have to understand what an Ordination really is. An Ordination is meant to become an integral and essential and permanent part of who and what a person really is. Ordinations are meant to be for forever. A father, or a King, or a God within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood is NOT and CANNOT become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of what a woman really is. Therefore, she CANNOT be permanently Ordained unto it. She has NO right to it. It isn't RIGHT to Ordain Women into the Patriarchal Order of God. God knows this to be so; therefore, He isn't going to do it or allow it.

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There's More:

D&C 86: 8-11:

8 Therefore, thus saith the Lord unto you, with whom the priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers --

9 For ye are lawful heirs, according to the flesh, and have been hid from the world with Christ in God --

10 Therefore your life and the priesthood have remained, and must needs remain through you and your lineage until the restoration of all things spoken by the mouths of all the holy prophets since the world began.

11 Therefore, blessed are ye if ye continue in my goodness, a light unto the Gentiles, and through this priesthood, a savior unto my people Israel. The Lord hath said it. Amen.

How does the Lord tell us that His Priesthood and His Priesthood Ordinations will continue?

Through the lineage of your fathers.

We will never once see it coming through the lineage of our mothers. Only the fathers have a RIGHT unto it. Why? It's because it is the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we have within the LDS Church. Patriarchal means father or fatherhood. It makes no logical sense to Ordain Women as fathers into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

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Another Confirmation from God:

D&C 107: 40-42:

40 The order of this priesthood was confirmed to be handed down from father to son, and rightly belongs to the literal descendants of the chosen seed, to whom the promises were made.

41 This order was instituted in the days of Adam, and came down by lineage in the following manner:

42 From Adam to Seth, who was ordained by Adam at the age of sixty-nine years, and was blessed by him three years previous to his (Adam's) death, and received the promise of God by his father, that his posterity should be the chosen of the Lord, and that they should be preserved unto the end of the earth. (It goes on from here for pages. It's always from father to son. Ordinations into the Priesthood are for the males only.)

What is this Order of the Priesthood in the LDS Church?

It is the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God.

From the very beginning, the Lord Himself confirmed that the Priesthood Offices within the Patriarchal Order are to be handed down from father to son, for all Eternity. The Lord has never once changed His mind concerning the matter, and He never will. What He confirmed or ordained or told us in the beginning will be the way that it will remain forevermore.

Here the Lord tells us that when it comes to Priesthood Ordinations in the LDS Church, the women need not apply, because they will not be granted access, forevermore. It's only to go from father to son. The Patriarchal Order is for Men Only. The Lord confirmed it in revelation.

Which Order of the Priesthood do they have in the LDS Church?

They have the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. Patriarchal means “Men” or “Fathers”.

The Lord has spoken, and now it is our turn to humbly follow and obey.

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The Fathers and the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood:

Abraham 1: 1-4:

1 In the land of the Chaldeans, at the residence of my fathers, I, Abraham, saw that it was needful for me to obtain another place of residence;

2 And, finding there was greater happiness and peace and rest for me, I sought for the blessings of the fathers, and the right whereunto I should be ordained to administer the same; having been myself a follower of righteousness, desiring also to be one who possessed great knowledge, and to be a greater follower of righteousness, and to possess a greater knowledge, and to be a father of many nations, a prince of peace, and desiring to receive instructions, and to keep the commandments of God, I became a rightful heir, a High Priest, holding the right belonging to the fathers.

3 It was conferred upon me from the fathers; it came down from the fathers, from the beginning of time, yea, even from the beginning, or before the foundation of the earth, down to the present time, even the right of the firstborn, or the first man, who is Adam, or first father, through the fathers unto me.

4 I sought for mine appointment unto the Priesthood according to the appointment of God unto the fathers concerning the seed.

To whom does the Patriarchal Priesthood rightfully belong?

The Fathers.

How did the Priesthood come down to Abraham?

From the Fathers, or through the Fathers.

What are the blessings of the Fathers? What is the right belonging unto the Fathers?

Priesthood Ordination into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God.

Who conferred the Priesthood upon Abraham? Who ordained Abraham to the Priesthood?

The Fathers.

Who was the first mortal person on this earth to receive the Priesthood of God?

Father Adam.

Whom is the “appointment unto the Priesthood” or ordination into the Priesthood for, within the True Church of God?

It is unto the Fathers.

Where did Abraham go to get his appointment or his Ordination from God?

To the Fathers.

Are you starting to see a Divinely Established Pattern here?

Abraham can see it, even if we can't. Abraham knew how God intended for His Priesthood to work. It's called the Priest-hood, not the Priestesses-hood, for a reason, because God commanded and ordained and confirmed that it should be handed down from father to son. It's the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

From the beginning, long before our God ever became a God, the Patriarchal Priesthood traveled from Father to Son. From the beginning on this planet, God told us that the Priesthood in His True Church is to only travel from father to son. So, how will Priesthood Ordinations within the True Church of God travel from one generation to the next forevermore? They will travel through the fathers. They will travel from father to son. If it's the real deal, the real Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God, it will always travel from father to son. The Lord has so decreed. And, on this one, He is not going to change His mind ever, because He has told us so. Why? It's because God the Father is doing it the way that His Fathers did it.