Saturday, June 21, 2014

All Women Are Ordained - For Linking Purposes

All Ordinations of Women Take Place in Heaven:

A Speculative Proposal for Consideration:

Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS from God while they are in Heaven, so that their Ordinations cannot be tainted, corrupted, changed, destroyed, polluted, or even touched by anyone here on earth.

Women receive their Fore-Ordinations into Motherhood and the Matriarchal Order while in Heaven during their pre-mortal life. Motherhood is an office within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. And, the women who pass the tests of mortality here on earth and enter the Kingdom of God will receive their Eternal Ordinations into Motherhood, into the Office of Queen, and into the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood while in the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven during their afterlife.

An Ordination is something that is meant to be permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting. An Ordination is supposed to become an integral and essential part of who and what a person really is. Ordinations give us Eternal RIGHTS to the things that we have been Ordained unto. Therefore, every Ordination has to make logical sense, because God is a God of Order and Law. God is a God of Ordinances and Ordinations.

In contrast, being “set apart” to a Priesthood Role within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God is meant to be temporary, until death do you part, if you are not released from the Office or Position or Role before your death.

My personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to as mortals. God's House is a House of Order, so I assume that Heavenly Mother's House is also a House of Order. The LDS Church only has the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood to give to its members. In the LDS Church and within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or authorization to Ordain a woman into a permanent office of the Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God. God cannot ordain a woman into the Melchizedek Priesthood or the Aaronic Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.

Ordinations are meant to become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of who and what we really are. Ordinations are a manifestation of Eternal Law. Therefore, Ordinations need to make logical sense. The LDS Priesthood is Patriarchal in nature. Therefore, it makes no logical sense to Ordain a woman into the Fatherhood Order or the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

It is my personal belief that women here on earth are NEVER ordained to anything. Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS in Heaven. By limiting all Ordinations of Women to Heaven, God the Father has effectively put the Matriarchal Order, its Ordinations, and its Offices completely out of the reach of apostates, agitators, anti-Christs, the misguided, the covetous, the vindictive, and mortals of any kind. None of us here on this earth can get at it in any way, shape, or form.

Consequently, NOBODY on this planet is jockeying and competing for positions, ordinations, roles, or offices within the Matriarchal Order. There are NO “Ordain Men into the Matriarchal Order” movements on this planet, certainly none that I have ever heard of. There are NO Ordain Men Movements. Such a thing never even enters the minds of the apostates, the rebels, the agitators, and the discontent. God designed it to be so.

Do you see how smart God really is? God hides The Truth and the True Order of the Priesthood in plain sight where NOBODY will see it or understand it. God hides the evidence of Women's Fore-Ordinations in plain sight where NONE of the women or the men can see that the Women were Ordained into the Matriarchal Order long before they were born here into mortality. God makes it self-evident so that NONE of us will see it or even think about it. It's brilliant, don't you think?

If there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then it logically follows that there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood; but, the thought never even enters our minds. God has NONE of us thinking about the Matriarchal Order, the Heaven-based Ordination of Women into the Office of Motherhood or into the Office of Queen, or what any of that really means. Even the apostates and anti-Christs haven't been able to see it or want it. Why? Because they can't get at the Matriarchal Order or the Priestess-hood at all. They don't even think about it. They never look, and thus they never see it or want it; but, it's right there hidden in plain sight. And even if they were to want it, there is nothing they can do about it, because they can't get at it. Interesting, don't you think?

God the Father has all of our focus on the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood within the LDS Church, and that's the thing we are trying to distort, pollute, corrupt, change, fight against, and destroy. Ordinations into the Patriarchal Order is the thing that the Ordain Women movements in every Christian church are focused upon attaining. They don't even think about the other Priesthood Order, the Matriarchal Order. Nobody even wants to be Ordained into the Matriarchal Order. NOBODY wants to be Ordained into the Office of Queen within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. It doesn't even enter their minds, because it's something that they cannot achieve while they are here in mortality. Instead, they all covet to be ordained as Fathers into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. Cool, don't you think?

One of the silliest things that I ever saw came when some of the Protestant Churches started ordaining women as Fathers within their churches. Talk about an oxymoron. For me, it served as a sure sign how far from The Truth some of the Protestant Churches had fallen.

The Catholics ordain men as Fathers and Priests in their church. I think in many respects that they still have a true sense of what it really means to be ordained into the Priesthood of God. I do not foresee the Catholics ever ordaining women as Fathers within their religion, because I believe that many of them can still see and understand how silly and absurd such an idea and practice really is.

So, for the LDS women, what are the initiatory work and their Temple Endowments in the LDS Temples all about? For the women, their Temple Work is a re-confirmation of their Fore-Ordination into Motherhood or the Matriarchal Order. Motherhood is an Office within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

Their LDS Temple Work is also in anticipation of the women one day being Ordained as Queens or Goddesses there in the Celestial Kingdom in Heaven, which will be a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting Ordination for the women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom. Their Ordinations as Queens within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood will become a permanent and integral part of who and what they really are.

Women don't even have to be members of the LDS Church in order to retain and have a RIGHT unto Motherhood and their Fore-Ordination into the Matriarchal Order. Fascinating, huh? However, women do indeed have to be baptized members of the LDS Church and have to receive their LDS Temple Endowments if they want to have any hope of one day being Ordained as Queens and Goddesses within the Matriarchal Order there in Heaven in the afterlife.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully understand what it really means to be Ordained, that Ordinations are meant to be permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting, then I think that some of them will actually re-think their position on the subject. Ordinations are meant to be logical. Ordinations are meant to become an integral and everlasting part of an individual, a part of who we really are. We are to be Ordained unto things where we can logically stay for the rest of Eternity. Ordinations and Ordinances are meant to be Eternal. In contrast, being set apart to a Priesthood Role is meant to be temporary.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully realize and understand that they have already received their Ordinations unto the Matriarchal Order while they were still there in Heaven in the Pre-mortal Life, then I think that some of them will re-think their desire to be re-ordained here on the earth into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. They will instead shift all of their focus towards achieving a permanent Ordination as Queens within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood when they get to the Celestial Kingdom of God. Being Ordained as a Queen within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God will become an essential and integral part of their Eternal Life.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully realize that they are actually asking to be Ordained into the Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church and are actually asking to be Ordained as fathers into fatherhood, then some of them will have their eyes opened and will automatically see how silly and illogical their request really is; and then, they will just go and find something much better to do with their lives, like educating men in the LDS Church how to treat their wives, mothers, and sisters better and with more respect.

Nevertheless, there will indeed be some Ordain Women promoters who will fully understand what Ordination really means and will fully understand that they are indeed asking to be Ordained as Fathers unto Fatherhood into the Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church, and these women (and their male supporters) will still demand that they be given exactly what they want anyway. These individuals will be and probably should be excommunicated from the LDS Church, because they are simply wanting something that is NOT of God; and, they are demanding to have it anyway.

Beware concerning yourselves! Don't go trying to change the True Order of God.

D&C 84: 43-44:
43 And I now give unto you a commandment to beware concerning yourselves, to give diligent heed to the words of eternal life.
44 For you shall live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God.

This Scripture is directed at the sons of Moses and the sons of Aaron, and this Scripture is at the end of the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood whereby God gives us a commandment and tells us not to mess with His Patriarchal Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood, and to leave things as they currently are and always were and always will be.

Trust and know that there are aspects and realities of the Holy Priesthood that are completely hidden from our view and totally out of our reach as mortal beings. It would take a Seer to be able to see them clearly. Where God's Priesthood is concerned, there's more than meets the eye; and, we can actually speculate about what that might be, as I have done here. With this speculative piece, I have tried to show you what some of these things might be, which are currently hidden from our sight. If there is indeed a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood in Heaven, it certainly adds a whole new unforeseen dimension to the Ordain Women debate.

I went searching for information regarding the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood within LDS Library 2009.

The only one who really talks about it is Hugh Nibley, and he talks about it in derogatory terms. Hugh Nibley describes it as an apostate system that the Queens of Egypt gave to themselves, a corruption and hijacking of the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. As Latter-day Saints know, if a man or a woman gives himself the Priesthood of God, then it really isn't the Priesthood of God. Nevertheless, the ancient Egyptians often caught onto things that the rest of us simply fail to see. What if in fact there really is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood? Then those ancient Egyptian Queens might not have been as apostate and far off-base as some of us think them to be. They might have in fact been onto something important.


I have an LDS friend who has described some of the miracles, visions, manifestations, revelations, and other things that he/she has experienced as a Latter-day Saint. This person keeps telling me that God always hides the Truth in plain sight where NONE of us can see it. So, I'm constantly getting the impression that when it comes to the Deeper Truths (what some call the Mysteries of Heaven or the Unknown), God actually hides these things in plain sight and makes them self-evident so that NONE of us will see them or understand them.


I sometimes wonder if the Matriarchal Order or the Motherhood Order of the Priesthood of Heaven might be one of these things.

Please don't let the fact, that God has given mortals ONLY the Patriarchal Priesthood or the fact that God will ONLY allow men to be Ordained into the Patriarchal Priesthood, drive you away from the LDS Church, the LDS Apostles, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Please don't let “what you don't know” or “what you don't have” drive you away from the True Church of God. Please repent, turn to God or return to God, and come to see things the way that God currently sees them and ordained them to be. Please choose to do things the way that God the Father wants them to be done. “Dear Father, thy will be done, not mine.”



The Take-Home Lesson:

Ordinations are meant to become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of who and what we are. Therefore, they need to make logical sense.

In the LDS Church and in the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or authorization to ordain a woman into a permanent office of the Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.


So, what happens to the women in the LDS Church where the Priesthood is concerned? They are temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles within the Church and the LDS Temples.


I was told that NONE of the female (and male) Ordinance Workers in the LDS Temples are ordained into the role. Instead, they are temporarily set apart to that role, but that role is "until death do they part" if they are not released from the Priesthood Role before their death.


In contrast, an Ordination is meant to be Eternal and Everlasting. Once a Bishop, then always a Bishop. Once an Apostle, then always an Apostle. LDS Bishops and LDS Apostles carry their Calling and Responsibility and Ordination with them into Eternity, where they will in fact be Judges in Israel at the Judgment Day. Their responsibility as Judges to the House of Israel continues long after they are dead.

Likewise, once a Goddess or a Queen in the Celestial Kingdom, then always a Goddess or Queen. Ordinations are meant to be permanent and are meant to become an integral part of who and what a person REALLY IS.

But, "once an Ordinance Worker in the LDS Temple, then always an Ordinance Worker?" NO! It doesn't work that way.


I have known of both male and female Ordinance Workers who are no longer Ordinance Workers, which means that they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role. Therefore, it was NOT an Ordination that took place when they became Temple Workers. Instead, they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role, until death do they part, if not before.

I know that it can be a subtle distinction at times, but it's a very important one, especially where the LDS Church is concerned.

T
he women in the Bible were temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles; but, NO Ordinations took place because what the women were set apart to often did not become an Eternal and Everlasting part of who and what they really are. Their positions were temporary and not meant to last after their death. No Ordinations took place because it is illogical to permanently ordain women into the Patriarchal Order or the Fatherhood Order of the Priesthood. God would cease to be God if He did so.


Likewise, you are ORDAINED into the Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood; but then, you are temporarily SET APART into an office within the Priesthood.


See how God intended for that to work?


It's extremely important in the LDS Church to understand the distinction between Ordination and being Set Apart. They are NOT the same thing. One is Eternal, and the other is temporary. In the Protestant world, they are one and the same thing, but NOT in the LDS Church. Take special note of it next time you see someone being set apart or ordained. Learn to identify the difference between the two. It will help to make things a lot more clear.


This talk goes a long ways towards making the distinction between Ordination and being "Setting Apart" clear:


https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/the-keys-and-authority-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng



Conclusions:

In D&C 84, D&C 107, D&C 20, and Abraham 1, God the Father and Jesus Christ make it abundantly clear that when it comes to God's Priesthood, the Patriarchal Priesthood within the LDS Church, God wants us to keep doing things the way that they always have been done. This means that God does NOT want any of us ordaining women into the Patriarchal Order or the Fatherhood Order of the Holy Priesthood. The Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God has always been for Men Only, and it always will be. That's the message that comes through loud and clear in the modern revelations listed above that we have received from God.

Therefore, whenever I encounter the writings, requests, and demands of the various Ordain Women groups throughout the world, my heart rebels at their ideas because I know that God does not want such things happening where His Patriarchal Priesthood and His LDS Church are concerned. God does not want us ordaining women into the Patriarchal Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood. If God would have wanted such a thing, then God would have ordained Eve into the Melchizedek Priesthood right from the very beginning.

I personally believe that the LDS Church is basically the same Church that Enoch, Moses, and Jesus Christ had way back then. There were prophetesses then, so there should be prophetesses now. So, where are they? Obviously, everyone seems to latch upon female LDS Temple Workers or Ordinance Workers as one possible answer. But for me, I have come to see my ward's Relief Society President as a Prophetess in every sense of the word.

It is my personal belief that women here on earth are NEVER ordained to anything within the True Church of God. Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS in Heaven. It seems logical to me that if there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must be some kind of Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood in Heaven that we don't hear much about.

The thing that I wish I were sure about is how it all works in Heaven. I do know that Ordinations are meant to be Eternal and Everlasting; and, I do know that being Set Apart is meant to be temporal or temporary. I do know that there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God. I do know that it is illogical to ordain a woman into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. But, the thing I don't know is whether there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood or not. If there were one question that I would like the LDS Prophet to take to the Lord, it would be that one, along with a command from the Lord to the Prophet to come back and tell us all exactly what the Prophet learned.


I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me. A lot of this is speculative anyway. The best I can do with speculative subjects is to tell people how I currently visualize things to be and why. And then, I either let them take the ball and run with it or I let them go on their merry way none the worse for wear.

Best Wishes to All,

Darwin Bagley


The Source Material that I Used for Inspiration and Knowledge regarding This Subject:

The Keys and Authority of the Priesthood, by Dallin H. Oaks:

D&C 84, D&C 107, D&C 20, and Abraham 1.

Elder Russell M. Nelson, Lessons from Eve, Ensign (CR), November 1987, p.86:

Adam held the priesthood. Eve served in matriarchal partnership with the patriarchal priesthood. So today, each wife may join with her husband as a partner unified in purpose. Scriptures state clearly, "Neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord" (1 Cor. 11:11). "They twain shall be one flesh" (Matt. 19:6; Mark 10:8; D&C 49:16). Marvelously, it takes a man and a woman to make a man or a woman. Without union of the sexes, neither can we exist, nor can we become perfect. Ordinary and imperfect people can build each other through their wholeness together. The complete contribution of one partner to the other is essential to exaltation. This is so "that the earth might answer the end of its creation" (D&C 49:16). So labor and love in partnership. Honor your companion. Any sense of competition for place or position is not appropriate for either partner, especially when enlightened by scriptural understanding.

As Adam bore responsibilities of fatherhood, so Eve bore the responsibilities of motherhood. She did not shirk them. So with welcome arms you may gratefully greet those children God may send, through your divine design as co-creator. With your husband, be obedient to the commandment to multiply and replenish the earth, as your opportunity, your spiritual guidance, your wisdom, and your health allow. You will gain joy and rejoicing in your posterity. That enrichment becomes more beautiful and precious with each passing year.

Russel M. Nelson


Hugh Nibley, Abraham in Egypt, p.134:

In the Book of Abraham as in many ancient versions of the Abraham story, the hero in his youth challenges a king's assertion of divine authority (Abraham 1:5-6), claiming to have the true authority himself (1:2-3). The king takes up the challenge and tries to make a ritual offering of Abraham as the well-known substitute King or tanist. (Abraham 1:8-14 and Fac. 1.) Abraham's miraculous delivery converts the King, who petitions Abraham for his priesthood and offers his own honors in exchange – such is the burden of many legends and of Facsimile No. 3; he also covets Abraham's wife in hopes of establishing a priestly line in the true succession. (233: Apr. 1970, 79ff.) Why was Pharaoh, "a righteous man,... blessed... with the blessings of wisdom" (Abraham 1:26), denied that priesthood which he "would fain claim from Noah, through Ham" (1:27)? Certainly not because of Ham, "a just man [who] walked with God" (Moses 8:27), but rather because he claimed it through the wrong line, "that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood" (Abraham 1:27). What was wrong with it? Simply this: it was not the patriarchal but the matriarchal line he was following.

Even while "seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers in the first generations (what the Egyptians called the pa'at), in the days of the first patriarchal reign" (1:26), he nonetheless traced his descent and his throne to "a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, the daughter of Egyptus" (1:23); this woman "discovered the land" and "settled her sons in it" (1:24). Her eldest son became the first Pharaoh, ruling "after the manner" of the patriarchal order (1:25), which the King sought earnestly to "imitate." Thus the government of Egypt was carried on under the fiction of being patriarchal while the actual line was matriarchal, the Queen being "the Wife of the God and bearer of the royal lineage." (421:47.) But however noble it may be, a matriarchal line cannot claim patriarchal authority, even though all the parties concerned are sympathetically portrayed. In all of which there is no mention of race, though enemies of the Church have declared with shock and outrage that these passages are proof of Mormon discrimination against blacks.

Hugh Nibley


Hugh Nibley, Abraham in Egypt, p.220:

These few observations, kept to a minimum, should be enough to make it clear that there is no exclusive equation between Ham and Pharaoh, or between Ham and the Egyptians, or between the Egyptians and the blacks, or between any of the above and any particular curse. What was denied was recognition of patriarchal right to the priesthood made by a claim of matriarchal succession.

Hugh Nibley


Hugh Nibley, Temple and Cosmos: Beyond This Ignorant Present, edited by Don E. Norton, p.64:

The oldest tradition common to many ancient people is that of the woman who got the secret name from the most high god. It is the Egyptian story of Re and the Son's Eye. Isis, wishing to found the Egyptian Dynasty along matriarchal lines by endowing her sons with the priesthood, begged Re, their father, to tell her his secret name. It is the story of Epimetheus, who loosed all evils upon mankind when he deferred to Pandora's request. Recently that story has turned up in the early Coptic Christian Third Apocryphon of John. Moreover, a two-volume work by Ludwig Laistner traces the Sphinx motif through ancient times. In the Bible it is Samson and Delilah. But the most significant telling of the story is in Moses 5:47-55, the story of Lamech, which reports how this pattern was spread throughout the entire world in the abominations of the ancients. This opens up a whole world of comparative studies telling us how it is that ceremonies resembling those of the temple are found throughout the ancient world.

Hugh Nibley


As usual, Hugh Nibley tended to see things somewhat differently than the rest of the Latter-day Saints see them. Hugh Nibley is the only one that I find who talks about the Matriarchal Lineage or the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood, an Order of the Priesthood that God currently refuses to let mortals have access to. Of course, Hugh Nibley sees the whole thing somewhat differently than the way I tend to see it. What does this tell you? When it comes to the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood, all that we currently know about it seems to reside in the realm of personal speculation. Revelation concerning the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood is the thing that the Ordain Women groups should really be asking for, not Ordination into the Patriarchal or Fatherhood Order of the Priesthood.


The Disclaimer and the Declaration of Intent:

At the moment, this particular issue seems to be of interest to Latter-day Saints within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. My personal postings regarding the subject have mostly taken place at LDS Freedom Forum.


Everything I write about this subject is personal opinion, and none of it should be taken as the official position of the LDS Church. I have no authority, right, calling, or jurisdiction to represent the LDS Church in public.

This piece is personal speculation, an amalgamation of what has come to mind over weeks and even months of time. I'm perfectly fine with anyone disagreeing with me on this or any other topic, and then having them come online and tell me where they think I got it wrong and why. The next question and answer in this process has often come after someone has come forth and told me why they think that I am losing it.

These speculative theories developed over time as I read, studied, pondered, asked God to reveal to me what He wanted me to know about it, and then wrote the ideas and impressions that came to me throughout the day and throughout the night. Then I repeated the same process the next day, over and over again, until the revelations and insights stopped coming. It was a growth process and a learning process, line upon line and precept by precept.

I truly wish that an LDS Apostle would take it upon himself to go through the exact same process that I went through day after day writing the revelations, insights, and ideas that come to his mind and heart, and then when he is done go onto LDS.org and tell us all what impressions and ideas and visualizations came to his mind. Of course, it would be even better if an angel were to take Thomas S. Monson into Heaven, show him how it all really is, and then let President Monson come back and tell us all what he saw and how all of this really works there in Heaven.

Meanwhile, I know that the LDS Church ONLY has access to the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood to give to its members.

The Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood from Adam to Moses was the Melchizedek Priesthood, and it always traveled from the fathers to the sons, as God ordained or decreed. (Abraham 1: 1-5). The Aaronic Priesthood is often described as being an appendage to the Melchizedek Priesthood; but, they are all the Priesthood of God, and they are all Patriarchal in nature, meant to travel from the fathers to the sons. Only the sons of Aaron had a legitimate right to the Aaronic Priesthood. NONE of Aaron's daughters had that right.

My personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to. But, that's just speculation or guesswork on my part.

Meanwhile, if you want to find the Truth of these controversial things, then I suggest that you turn to the writings and the teachings of the LDS Apostles for the confirmation that you are seeking. Study it all and pray about it, asking for the true interpretation and meaning of these things to be opened unto you. Ask God for your eyes to be opened so that you can truly see.

What is my hope? I hope and pray that no Latter-day Saint, male or female, will allow themselves to be excommunicated from the LDS Church over the controversial Ordain Women issue. If I can help to prevent one Latter-day Saint from apostatizing or being excommunicated over this issue, then I will have accomplished my goal and my heart's desire concerning the issue.

What is my desire? I desire to try to help the Latter-day Saints to come to see the LDS Apostles as inspired prophets of God, instead of as the silly and quaint individuals that many Latter-day Saints seem to see them as. I desire to introduce you to the idea of reading the messages of the LDS Apostles and LDS General Authorities while you are trying to determine how the things of Heaven REALLY ARE and really work, so that in fact we come to see things the way that God the Father sees them.

What is my goal? To try to find the Eternal Truth of all things, the way things REALLY ARE there in Heaven. I want to try to learn to see things the way that God sees them.

What is my mission? To convert you to the LDS Church and the teachings of the LDS Apostles, as I have been converted. Remember, conversion to God and His Church and Heaven is an ongoing and never-ending process. Even when we arrive in the Celestial Kingdom, there will still be new and interesting ways in which we can to come to see things the way that God the Father sees them.

Best of Luck to You All,

Mark My Words


23JUN2014 Version.


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