Saturday, June 21, 2014

Original Version - All Women Are Ordained

All Ordinations of Women Take Place in Heaven:

A Speculative Proposal for Consideration:

Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS from God while they are in Heaven, so that their Ordinations cannot be tainted, corrupted, changed, destroyed, polluted, or even touched by anyone here on earth.

Women receive their Fore-Ordinations into Motherhood and the Matriarchal Order while in Heaven during their pre-mortal life. Motherhood is an office within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. And, the women who pass the tests of mortality here on earth and enter the Kingdom of God will receive their Eternal Ordinations into Motherhood, into the Office of Queen, and into the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood while in the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven during their afterlife.

An Ordination is something that is meant to be permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting. An Ordination is supposed to become an integral and essential part of who and what a person really is. Ordinations give us Eternal RIGHTS to the things that we have been Ordained unto. Therefore, every Ordination has to make logical sense, because God is a God of Order and Law. God is a God of Ordinances and Ordinations.

In contrast, being “set apart” to a Priesthood Role within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God is meant to be temporary, until death do you part, if you are not released from the Office or Position or Role before your death.

My personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to as mortals. God's House is a House of Order, so I assume that Heavenly Mother's House is also a House of Order. The LDS Church only has the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood to give to its members. In the LDS Church and within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or authorization to Ordain a woman into a permanent office of the Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God. God cannot ordain a woman into the Melchizedek Priesthood or the Aaronic Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.

Ordinations are meant to become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of who and what we really are. Ordinations are a manifestation of Eternal Law. Therefore, Ordinations need to make logical sense. The LDS Priesthood is Patriarchal in nature. Therefore, it makes no logical sense to Ordain a woman into the Fatherhood Order or the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

It is my personal belief that women here on earth are NEVER ordained to anything. Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS in Heaven. By limiting all Ordinations of Women to Heaven, God the Father has effectively put the Matriarchal Order, its Ordinations, and its Offices completely out of the reach of apostates, agitators, anti-Christs, the misguided, the covetous, the vindictive, and mortals of any kind. None of us here on this earth can get at it in any way, shape, or form.

Consequently, NOBODY on this planet is jockeying and competing for positions, ordinations, roles, or offices within the Matriarchal Order. There are NO “Ordain Men into the Matriarchal Order” movements on this planet, certainly none that I have ever heard of. There are NO Ordain Men Movements. Such a thing never even enters the minds of the apostates, the rebels, the agitators, and the discontent. God designed it to be so.

Do you see how smart God really is? God hides The Truth and the True Order of the Priesthood in plain sight where NOBODY will see it or understand it. God hides the evidence of Women's Fore-Ordinations in plain sight where NONE of the women or the men can see that the Women were Ordained into the Matriarchal Order long before they were born here into mortality. God makes it self-evident so that NONE of us will see it or even think about it. It's brilliant, don't you think?

If there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then it logically follows that there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood; but, the thought never even enters our minds. God has NONE of us thinking about the Matriarchal Order, the Heaven-based Ordination of Women into the Office of Motherhood or into the Office of Queen, or what any of that really means. Even the apostates and anti-Christs haven't been able to see it or want it. Why? Because they can't get at the Matriarchal Order or the Priestess-hood at all. They don't even think about it. They never look, and thus they never see it or want it; but, it's right there hidden in plain sight. And even if they were to want it, there is nothing they can do about it, because they can't get at it. Interesting, don't you think?

God the Father has all of our focus on the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood within the LDS Church, and that's the thing we are trying to distort, pollute, corrupt, change, fight against, and destroy. Ordinations into the Patriarchal Order is the thing that the Ordain Women movements in every Christian church are focused upon attaining. They don't even think about the other Priesthood Order, the Matriarchal Order. Nobody even wants to be Ordained into the Matriarchal Order. NOBODY wants to be Ordained into the Office of Queen within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. It doesn't even enter their minds, because it's something that they cannot achieve while they are here in mortality. Instead, they all covet to be ordained as Fathers into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. Cool, don't you think?

One of the silliest things that I ever saw came when some of the Protestant Churches started ordaining women as Fathers within their churches. Talk about an oxymoron. For me, it served as a sure sign how far from The Truth some of the Protestant Churches had fallen.

The Catholics ordain men as Fathers and Priests in their church. I think in many respects that they still have a true sense of what it really means to be ordained into the Priesthood of God. I do not foresee the Catholics ever ordaining women as Fathers within their religion, because I believe that many of them can still see and understand how silly and absurd such an idea and practice really is.

So, for the LDS women, what are the initiatory work and their Temple Endowments in the LDS Temples all about? For the women, their Temple Work is a re-confirmation of their Fore-Ordination into Motherhood or the Matriarchal Order. Motherhood is an Office within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood.

Their LDS Temple Work is also in anticipation of the women one day being Ordained as Queens or Goddesses there in the Celestial Kingdom in Heaven, which will be a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting Ordination for the women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom. Their Ordinations as Queens within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood will become a permanent and integral part of who and what they really are.

Women don't even have to be members of the LDS Church in order to retain and have a RIGHT unto Motherhood and their Fore-Ordination into the Matriarchal Order. Fascinating, huh? However, women do indeed have to be baptized members of the LDS Church and have to receive their LDS Temple Endowments if they want to have any hope of one day being Ordained as Queens and Goddesses within the Matriarchal Order there in Heaven in the afterlife.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully understand what it really means to be Ordained, that Ordinations are meant to be permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting, then I think that some of them will actually re-think their position on the subject. Ordinations are meant to be logical. Ordinations are meant to become an integral and everlasting part of an individual, a part of who we really are. We are to be Ordained unto things where we can logically stay for the rest of Eternity. Ordinations and Ordinances are meant to be Eternal. In contrast, being set apart to a Priesthood Role is meant to be temporary.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully realize and understand that they have already received their Ordinations unto the Matriarchal Order while they were still there in Heaven in the Pre-mortal Life, then I think that some of them will re-think their desire to be re-ordained here on the earth into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. They will instead shift all of their focus towards achieving a permanent Ordination as Queens within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood when they get to the Celestial Kingdom of God. Being Ordained as a Queen within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God will become an essential and integral part of their Eternal Life.

I personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully realize that they are actually asking to be Ordained into the Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church and are actually asking to be Ordained as fathers into fatherhood, then some of them will have their eyes opened and will automatically see how silly and illogical their request really is; and then, they will just go and find something much better to do with their lives, like educating men in the LDS Church how to treat their wives, mothers, and sisters better and with more respect.

Nevertheless, there will indeed be some Ordain Women promoters who will fully understand what Ordination really means and will fully understand that they are indeed asking to be Ordained as Fathers unto Fatherhood into the Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church, and these women (and their male supporters) will still demand that they be given exactly what they want anyway. These individuals will be and probably should be excommunicated from the LDS Church, because they are simply wanting something that is NOT of God; and, they are demanding to have it anyway.

Beware concerning yourselves! Don't go trying to change the True Order of God.

D&C 84: 43-44:
43 And I now give unto you a commandment to beware concerning yourselves, to give diligent heed to the words of eternal life.
44 For you shall live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God.

This Scripture is directed at the sons of Moses and the sons of Aaron, and this Scripture is at the end of the Oath and Covenant of the Priesthood whereby God gives us a commandment and tells us not to mess with His Patriarchal Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood, and to leave things as they currently are.


The Source Material that I Used for Inspiration and Knowledge regarding This Subject:

The Keys and Authority of the Priesthood, by Dallin H. Oaks:


The Disclaimer and the Declaration of Intent:

At the moment, this particular issue seems to be of interest to Latter-day Saints within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. My personal postings regarding the subject have mostly taken place at LDS Freedom Forum.


Everything I write about this subject is personal opinion, and none of it should be taken as the official position of the LDS Church. I have no authority, right, calling, or jurisdiction to represent the LDS Church in public.

This piece is personal speculation, an amalgamation of what has come to mind over weeks and even months of time. I'm perfectly fine with anyone disagreeing with me on this or any other topic, and then having them come online and tell me where they think I got it wrong and why. The next question and answer in this process has often come after someone has come forth and told me why they think that I am losing it.

These speculative theories developed over time as I read, studied, pondered, asked God to reveal to me what He wanted me to know about it, and then wrote the ideas and impressions that came to me throughout the day and throughout the night. Then I repeated the same process the next day, over and over again, until the revelations and insights stopped coming. It was a growth process and a learning process, line upon line and precept by precept.

I truly wish that an LDS Apostle would take it upon himself to go through the exact same process that I went through day after day writing the revelations, insights, and ideas that come to his mind and heart, and then when he is done go onto LDS.org and tell us all what impressions and ideas and visualizations came to his mind. Of course, it would be even better if an angel were to take Thomas S. Monson into Heaven, show him how it all really is, and then let President Monson come back and tell us all what he saw and how all of this really works there in Heaven.

Meanwhile, if you want to find the Truth of these controversial things, then I suggest that you turn to the writings and the teachings of the LDS Apostles for the confirmation that you are seeking. Study it all and pray about it, asking for the true interpretation and meaning of these things to be opened unto you. Ask God for your eyes to be opened so that you can truly see.

What is my hope? I hope and pray that no Latter-day Saint, male or female, will allow themselves to be excommunicated from the LDS Church over the controversial Ordain Women issue. If I can help to prevent one Latter-day Saint from apostatizing or being excommunicated over this issue, then I will have accomplished my goal and my heart's desire concerning the issue.

What is my desire? I desire to try to help the Latter-day Saints to come to see the LDS Apostles as inspired prophets of God, instead of as the silly and quaint individuals that many Latter-day Saints seem to see them as. I desire to introduce you to the idea of reading the messages of the LDS Apostles and LDS General Authorities while you are trying to determine how the things of Heaven REALLY ARE and really work, so that in fact we come to see things the way that God the Father sees them.

What is my goal? To try to find the Eternal Truth of all things, the way things REALLY ARE there in Heaven. I want to try to learn to see things the way that God sees them.

What is my mission? To convert you to the LDS Church and the teachings of the LDS Apostles, as I have been converted. Remember, conversion to God and His Church and Heaven is an ongoing and never-ending process. Even when we arrive in the Celestial Kingdom, there will still be new and interesting ways in which we can to come to see things the way that God the Father sees them.

Best of Luck to You All,


Mark My Words



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