All
Ordinations of Women Take Place in Heaven:
A
Speculative Proposal for Consideration:
Women
receive all of their ORDINATIONS from God while they are in Heaven,
so that their Ordinations cannot be tainted, corrupted, changed,
destroyed, polluted, or even touched by anyone here on earth.
Women
receive their Fore-Ordinations into Motherhood and the Matriarchal
Order while in Heaven during their pre-mortal life. Motherhood is an
office within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. And, the
women who pass the tests of mortality here on earth and enter the
Kingdom of God will receive their Eternal Ordinations into
Motherhood, into the Office of Queen, and into the Matriarchal Order
of the Priesthood while in the Celestial Kingdom of Heaven during
their afterlife.
An
Ordination is something that is meant to be permanent, Eternal, and
Everlasting. An Ordination is supposed to become an integral and
essential part of who and what a person really is. Ordinations give
us Eternal RIGHTS to the things that we have been Ordained unto.
Therefore, every Ordination has to make logical sense, because God is
a God of Order and Law. God is a God of Ordinances and Ordinations.
In
contrast, being “set apart” to a Priesthood Role within the
Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God is meant to be temporary,
until death do you part, if you are not released from the Office or
Position or Role before your death.
My
personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the
Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the
Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to as mortals.
God's House is a House of Order, so I assume that Heavenly Mother's
House is also a House of Order. The
LDS Church only has the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood to give
to its members. In
the LDS Church and within the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood
women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or
authorization to Ordain a woman into a permanent office of the
Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God. God
cannot ordain a woman into the Melchizedek Priesthood or the Aaronic
Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.
Ordinations
are meant to become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of who
and what we really are. Ordinations are a manifestation of Eternal
Law. Therefore, Ordinations need to make logical sense. The LDS
Priesthood is Patriarchal in nature. Therefore, it makes no logical
sense to Ordain a woman into the Fatherhood Order or the Patriarchal
Order of the Priesthood.
It
is my personal belief that women here on earth are NEVER ordained to
anything. Women receive all of their ORDINATIONS in Heaven. By
limiting all Ordinations of Women to Heaven, God the Father has
effectively put the Matriarchal Order, its Ordinations, and its
Offices completely out of the reach of apostates, agitators,
anti-Christs, the misguided, the covetous, the vindictive, and
mortals of any kind. None of us here on this earth can get at it in
any way, shape, or form.
Consequently,
NOBODY on this planet is jockeying and competing for positions,
ordinations, roles, or offices within the Matriarchal Order. There
are NO “Ordain Men into the Matriarchal Order” movements on this
planet, certainly none that I have ever heard of. There are NO
Ordain Men Movements. Such a thing never even enters the minds of
the apostates, the rebels, the agitators, and the discontent. God
designed it to be so.
Do
you see how smart God really is? God hides The Truth and the True
Order of the Priesthood in plain sight where NOBODY will see it or
understand it. God hides the evidence of Women's Fore-Ordinations in
plain sight where NONE of the women or the men can see that the Women
were Ordained into the Matriarchal Order long before they were born
here into mortality. God
makes it self-evident so that NONE of us will see it or even think
about it. It's
brilliant, don't you think?
If
there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then it logically
follows that there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood; but, the
thought never even enters our minds. God has NONE of us thinking
about the Matriarchal Order, the Heaven-based Ordination of Women
into the Office of Motherhood or into the Office of Queen, or what
any of that really means. Even the apostates and anti-Christs
haven't been able to see it or want it. Why? Because they can't get
at the Matriarchal Order or the Priestess-hood at all. They don't
even think about it. They never look, and thus they never see it or
want it; but, it's right there hidden in plain sight. And even if
they were to want it, there is nothing they can do about it, because
they can't get at it. Interesting, don't you think?
God
the Father has all of our focus on the Patriarchal Order of the
Priesthood within the LDS Church, and that's the thing we are trying
to distort, pollute, corrupt, change, fight against, and destroy.
Ordinations into the Patriarchal Order is the thing that the Ordain
Women movements in every Christian church are focused upon attaining.
They don't even think about the other Priesthood Order, the
Matriarchal Order. Nobody even wants to be Ordained into the
Matriarchal Order. NOBODY wants to be Ordained into the Office of
Queen within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood. It doesn't
even enter their minds, because it's something that they cannot
achieve while they are here in mortality. Instead, they all covet to
be ordained as Fathers into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood.
Cool, don't you think?
One
of the silliest things that I ever saw came when some of the
Protestant Churches started ordaining women as Fathers within their
churches. Talk about an oxymoron. For me, it served as a sure sign
how far from The Truth some of the Protestant Churches had fallen.
The
Catholics ordain men as Fathers and Priests in their church. I think
in many respects that they still have a true sense of what it really
means to be ordained into the Priesthood of God. I do not foresee
the Catholics ever ordaining women as Fathers within their religion,
because I believe that many of them can still see and understand how
silly and absurd such an idea and practice really is.
So,
for the LDS women, what are the initiatory work and their Temple
Endowments in the LDS Temples all about? For the women, their Temple
Work is a re-confirmation of their Fore-Ordination into Motherhood or
the Matriarchal Order. Motherhood is an Office within the
Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood.
Their
LDS Temple Work is also in anticipation of the women one day being
Ordained as Queens or Goddesses there in the Celestial Kingdom in
Heaven, which will be a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting
Ordination for the women who make it to the Celestial Kingdom. Their
Ordinations as Queens within the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood
will become a permanent and integral part of who and what they really
are.
Women
don't even have to be members of the LDS Church in order to retain
and have a RIGHT unto Motherhood and their Fore-Ordination into the
Matriarchal Order. Fascinating, huh? However, women do indeed have
to be baptized members of the LDS Church and have to receive their
LDS Temple Endowments if they want to have any hope of one day being
Ordained as Queens and Goddesses within the Matriarchal Order there
in Heaven in the afterlife.
I
personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully
understand what it really means to be Ordained, that Ordinations are
meant to be permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting, then I think that
some of them will actually re-think their position on the subject.
Ordinations are meant to be logical. Ordinations are meant to become
an integral and everlasting part of an individual, a part of who we
really are. We are to be Ordained unto things where we can logically
stay for the rest of Eternity. Ordinations and Ordinances are meant
to be Eternal. In contrast, being set apart to a Priesthood Role is
meant to be temporary.
I
personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully
realize and understand that they have already received their
Ordinations unto the Matriarchal Order while they were still there in
Heaven in the Pre-mortal Life, then I think that some of them will
re-think their desire to be re-ordained here on the earth into the
Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. They will instead shift all of
their focus towards achieving a permanent Ordination as Queens within
the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood when they get to the
Celestial Kingdom of God. Being Ordained as a Queen within the
Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God will become an essential
and integral part of their Eternal Life.
I
personally believe that once some of the Ordain Women promoters fully
realize that they are actually asking to be Ordained into the
Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church and are actually asking to be
Ordained as fathers into fatherhood, then some of them will have
their eyes opened and will automatically see how silly and illogical
their request really is; and then, they will just go and find
something much better to do with their lives, like educating men in
the LDS Church how to treat their wives, mothers, and sisters better
and with more respect.
Nevertheless,
there will indeed be some Ordain Women promoters who will fully
understand what Ordination really means and will fully understand
that they are indeed asking to be Ordained as Fathers unto Fatherhood
into the Patriarchal Order within the LDS Church, and these women
(and their male supporters) will still demand that they be given
exactly what they want anyway. These individuals will be and
probably should be excommunicated from the LDS Church, because they
are simply wanting something that is NOT of God; and, they are
demanding to have it anyway.
Beware
concerning yourselves! Don't go trying to change the True Order of
God.
D&C
84: 43-44:
43
And I now give unto you a commandment to beware concerning
yourselves, to give diligent heed to the words of eternal life.
44
For you shall live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth
of God.
This
Scripture is directed at the sons of Moses and the sons of Aaron, and
this Scripture is at the end of the Oath and Covenant of the
Priesthood whereby God gives us a commandment and tells us not to
mess with His Patriarchal Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood, and
to leave things as they currently are and always were and always will
be.
Trust
and know that there are aspects and realities of the Holy Priesthood
that are completely hidden from our view and totally out of our reach
as mortal beings. It would take a Seer to be able to see them
clearly. Where God's Priesthood is concerned, there's more than
meets the eye; and, we can actually speculate about what that might
be, as I have done here. With this speculative piece, I have tried
to show you what some of these things might be, which are currently
hidden from our sight. If there is indeed a Matriarchal Order of the
Priesthood in Heaven, it certainly adds a whole new unforeseen
dimension to the Ordain Women debate.
I
went searching for information regarding the Matriarchal Order of the
Priesthood within LDS Library 2009.
The only one who really talks about it is Hugh Nibley, and he talks about it in derogatory terms. Hugh Nibley describes it as an apostate system that the Queens of Egypt gave to themselves, a corruption and hijacking of the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. As Latter-day Saints know, if a man or a woman gives himself the Priesthood of God, then it really isn't the Priesthood of God. Nevertheless, the ancient Egyptians often caught onto things that the rest of us simply fail to see. What if in fact there really is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood? Then those ancient Egyptian Queens might not have been as apostate and far off-base as some of us think them to be. They might have in fact been onto something important.
I have an LDS friend who has described some of the miracles, visions, manifestations, revelations, and other things that he/she has experienced as a Latter-day Saint. This person keeps telling me that God always hides the Truth in plain sight where NONE of us can see it. So, I'm constantly getting the impression that when it comes to the Deeper Truths (what some call the Mysteries of Heaven or the Unknown), God actually hides these things in plain sight and makes them self-evident so that NONE of us will see them or understand them.
I sometimes wonder if the Matriarchal Order or the Motherhood Order of the Priesthood of Heaven might be one of these things.
The only one who really talks about it is Hugh Nibley, and he talks about it in derogatory terms. Hugh Nibley describes it as an apostate system that the Queens of Egypt gave to themselves, a corruption and hijacking of the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. As Latter-day Saints know, if a man or a woman gives himself the Priesthood of God, then it really isn't the Priesthood of God. Nevertheless, the ancient Egyptians often caught onto things that the rest of us simply fail to see. What if in fact there really is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood? Then those ancient Egyptian Queens might not have been as apostate and far off-base as some of us think them to be. They might have in fact been onto something important.
I have an LDS friend who has described some of the miracles, visions, manifestations, revelations, and other things that he/she has experienced as a Latter-day Saint. This person keeps telling me that God always hides the Truth in plain sight where NONE of us can see it. So, I'm constantly getting the impression that when it comes to the Deeper Truths (what some call the Mysteries of Heaven or the Unknown), God actually hides these things in plain sight and makes them self-evident so that NONE of us will see them or understand them.
I sometimes wonder if the Matriarchal Order or the Motherhood Order of the Priesthood of Heaven might be one of these things.
Please
don't let the fact, that God has given mortals ONLY the Patriarchal
Priesthood or the fact that God will ONLY allow men to be Ordained
into the Patriarchal Priesthood, drive you away from the LDS Church,
the LDS Apostles, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Please don't let “what
you don't know” or “what you don't have” drive you away from
the True Church of God. Please repent, turn to God or return to God,
and come to see things the way that God currently sees them and
ordained them to be. Please choose to do things the way that God the
Father wants them to be done. “Dear Father, thy will be done, not
mine.”
The
Take-Home Lesson:
Ordinations
are meant to become a permanent, Eternal, and Everlasting part of who
and what we are. Therefore, they need to make logical sense.
In the LDS Church and in the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or authorization to ordain a woman into a permanent office of the Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.
So, what happens to the women in the LDS Church where the Priesthood is concerned? They are temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles within the Church and the LDS Temples.
I was told that NONE of the female (and male) Ordinance Workers in the LDS Temples are ordained into the role. Instead, they are temporarily set apart to that role, but that role is "until death do they part" if they are not released from the Priesthood Role before their death.
In contrast, an Ordination is meant to be Eternal and Everlasting. Once a Bishop, then always a Bishop. Once an Apostle, then always an Apostle. LDS Bishops and LDS Apostles carry their Calling and Responsibility and Ordination with them into Eternity, where they will in fact be Judges in Israel at the Judgment Day. Their responsibility as Judges to the House of Israel continues long after they are dead.
In the LDS Church and in the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood women are NEVER ordained to anything. Not even God has the power or authorization to ordain a woman into a permanent office of the Patriarchal Priesthood. If God did, He would cease to be God.
So, what happens to the women in the LDS Church where the Priesthood is concerned? They are temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles within the Church and the LDS Temples.
I was told that NONE of the female (and male) Ordinance Workers in the LDS Temples are ordained into the role. Instead, they are temporarily set apart to that role, but that role is "until death do they part" if they are not released from the Priesthood Role before their death.
In contrast, an Ordination is meant to be Eternal and Everlasting. Once a Bishop, then always a Bishop. Once an Apostle, then always an Apostle. LDS Bishops and LDS Apostles carry their Calling and Responsibility and Ordination with them into Eternity, where they will in fact be Judges in Israel at the Judgment Day. Their responsibility as Judges to the House of Israel continues long after they are dead.
Likewise,
once a Goddess or a Queen in the Celestial Kingdom, then always a
Goddess or Queen. Ordinations are meant to be permanent and are
meant to become an integral part of who and what a person REALLY
IS.
But, "once an Ordinance Worker in the LDS Temple, then always an Ordinance Worker?" NO! It doesn't work that way.
I have known of both male and female Ordinance Workers who are no longer Ordinance Workers, which means that they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role. Therefore, it was NOT an Ordination that took place when they became Temple Workers. Instead, they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role, until death do they part, if not before.
But, "once an Ordinance Worker in the LDS Temple, then always an Ordinance Worker?" NO! It doesn't work that way.
I have known of both male and female Ordinance Workers who are no longer Ordinance Workers, which means that they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role. Therefore, it was NOT an Ordination that took place when they became Temple Workers. Instead, they were temporarily set apart to that Priesthood Role, until death do they part, if not before.
I
know that it can be a subtle distinction at times, but it's a very
important one, especially where the LDS Church is concerned.
The women in the Bible were temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles; but, NO Ordinations took place because what the women were set apart to often did not become an Eternal and Everlasting part of who and what they really are. Their positions were temporary and not meant to last after their death. No Ordinations took place because it is illogical to permanently ordain women into the Patriarchal Order or the Fatherhood Order of the Priesthood. God would cease to be God if He did so.
Likewise, you are ORDAINED into the Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood; but then, you are temporarily SET APART into an office within the Priesthood.
See how God intended for that to work?
It's extremely important in the LDS Church to understand the distinction between Ordination and being Set Apart. They are NOT the same thing. One is Eternal, and the other is temporary. In the Protestant world, they are one and the same thing, but NOT in the LDS Church. Take special note of it next time you see someone being set apart or ordained. Learn to identify the difference between the two. It will help to make things a lot more clear.
This talk goes a long ways towards making the distinction between Ordination and being "Setting Apart" clear:
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/the-keys-and-authority-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng
The women in the Bible were temporarily set apart to Priesthood Roles; but, NO Ordinations took place because what the women were set apart to often did not become an Eternal and Everlasting part of who and what they really are. Their positions were temporary and not meant to last after their death. No Ordinations took place because it is illogical to permanently ordain women into the Patriarchal Order or the Fatherhood Order of the Priesthood. God would cease to be God if He did so.
Likewise, you are ORDAINED into the Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood; but then, you are temporarily SET APART into an office within the Priesthood.
See how God intended for that to work?
It's extremely important in the LDS Church to understand the distinction between Ordination and being Set Apart. They are NOT the same thing. One is Eternal, and the other is temporary. In the Protestant world, they are one and the same thing, but NOT in the LDS Church. Take special note of it next time you see someone being set apart or ordained. Learn to identify the difference between the two. It will help to make things a lot more clear.
This talk goes a long ways towards making the distinction between Ordination and being "Setting Apart" clear:
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2014/04/the-keys-and-authority-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng
Conclusions:
In
D&C 84, D&C 107, D&C 20, and Abraham 1, God the Father
and Jesus Christ make it abundantly clear that when it comes to God's
Priesthood, the Patriarchal Priesthood within the LDS Church, God
wants us to keep doing things the way that they always have been
done. This means that God does NOT want any of us ordaining women
into the Patriarchal Order or the Fatherhood Order of the Holy
Priesthood. The Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God has
always been for Men Only, and it always will be. That's the message
that comes through loud and clear in the modern revelations listed
above that we have received from God.
Therefore,
whenever I encounter the writings, requests, and demands of the
various Ordain Women groups throughout the world, my heart rebels at
their ideas because I know that God does not want such things
happening where His Patriarchal Priesthood and His LDS Church are
concerned. God does not want us ordaining women into the Patriarchal
Priesthood or Melchizedek Priesthood. If God would have wanted such
a thing, then God would have ordained Eve into the Melchizedek
Priesthood right from the very beginning.
I
personally believe that the LDS Church is basically the same Church
that Enoch, Moses, and Jesus Christ had way back then. There were
prophetesses then, so there should be prophetesses now. So, where
are they? Obviously, everyone seems to latch upon female LDS Temple
Workers or Ordinance Workers as one possible answer. But for me, I
have come to see my ward's Relief Society President as a Prophetess
in every sense of the word.
It
is my personal belief that women here on earth are NEVER ordained to
anything within the True Church of God. Women receive all of their
ORDINATIONS in Heaven. It seems logical to me that if there is a
Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must be some kind of
Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood in Heaven that we don't hear much
about.
The thing that I wish I were sure about is how it all works in Heaven. I do know that Ordinations are meant to be Eternal and Everlasting; and, I do know that being Set Apart is meant to be temporal or temporary. I do know that there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God. I do know that it is illogical to ordain a woman into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. But, the thing I don't know is whether there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood or not. If there were one question that I would like the LDS Prophet to take to the Lord, it would be that one, along with a command from the Lord to the Prophet to come back and tell us all exactly what the Prophet learned.
I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me. A lot of this is speculative anyway. The best I can do with speculative subjects is to tell people how I currently visualize things to be and why. And then, I either let them take the ball and run with it or I let them go on their merry way none the worse for wear.
The thing that I wish I were sure about is how it all works in Heaven. I do know that Ordinations are meant to be Eternal and Everlasting; and, I do know that being Set Apart is meant to be temporal or temporary. I do know that there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood of God. I do know that it is illogical to ordain a woman into the Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood. But, the thing I don't know is whether there is a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood or not. If there were one question that I would like the LDS Prophet to take to the Lord, it would be that one, along with a command from the Lord to the Prophet to come back and tell us all exactly what the Prophet learned.
I'm perfectly fine with people disagreeing with me. A lot of this is speculative anyway. The best I can do with speculative subjects is to tell people how I currently visualize things to be and why. And then, I either let them take the ball and run with it or I let them go on their merry way none the worse for wear.
Best
Wishes to All,
Mark My Words
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The
Source Material that I Used for Inspiration and Knowledge regarding
This Subject:
The
Keys and Authority of the Priesthood, by Dallin H. Oaks:
D&C
84, D&C 107, D&C 20, and Abraham 1.
Elder
Russell M. Nelson, Lessons from Eve, Ensign (CR), November 1987,
p.86:
Adam
held the priesthood. Eve served in matriarchal partnership with the
patriarchal priesthood. So today, each wife may join with her
husband as a partner unified in purpose. Scriptures state clearly,
"Neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without
the man, in the Lord" (1 Cor. 11:11). "They twain shall be
one flesh" (Matt. 19:6; Mark 10:8; D&C 49:16). Marvelously,
it takes a man and a woman to make a man or a woman. Without union
of the sexes, neither can we exist, nor can we become perfect.
Ordinary and imperfect people can build each other through their
wholeness together. The complete contribution of one partner to the
other is essential to exaltation. This is so "that the earth
might answer the end of its creation" (D&C 49:16). So labor
and love in partnership. Honor your companion. Any sense of
competition for place or position is not appropriate for either
partner, especially when enlightened by scriptural understanding.
As
Adam bore responsibilities of fatherhood, so Eve bore the
responsibilities of motherhood. She did not shirk them. So with
welcome arms you may gratefully greet those children God may send,
through your divine design as co-creator. With your husband, be
obedient to the commandment to multiply and replenish the earth, as
your opportunity, your spiritual guidance, your wisdom, and your
health allow. You will gain joy and rejoicing in your posterity.
That enrichment becomes more beautiful and precious with each passing
year.
Russel
M. Nelson
Hugh
Nibley, Abraham in Egypt, p.134:
In
the Book of Abraham as in many ancient versions of the Abraham story,
the hero in his youth challenges a king's assertion of divine
authority (Abraham 1:5-6), claiming to have the true authority
himself (1:2-3). The king takes up the challenge and tries to make a
ritual offering of Abraham as the well-known substitute King or
tanist. (Abraham 1:8-14 and Fac. 1.) Abraham's miraculous delivery
converts the King, who petitions Abraham for his priesthood and
offers his own honors in exchange – such is the burden of many
legends and of Facsimile No. 3; he also covets Abraham's wife in
hopes of establishing a priestly line in the true succession. (233:
Apr. 1970, 79ff.) Why was Pharaoh, "a righteous man,...
blessed... with the blessings of wisdom" (Abraham 1:26), denied
that priesthood which he "would fain claim from Noah, through
Ham" (1:27)? Certainly not because of Ham, "a just man
[who] walked with God" (Moses 8:27), but rather because he
claimed it through the wrong line, "that lineage by which he
could not have the right of Priesthood" (Abraham 1:27). What
was wrong with it? Simply this: it was not the patriarchal but the
matriarchal line he was following.
Even
while "seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by
the fathers in the first generations (what the Egyptians called the
pa'at), in the days of the first patriarchal reign" (1:26), he
nonetheless traced his descent and his throne to "a woman, who
was the daughter of Ham, the daughter of Egyptus" (1:23); this
woman "discovered the land" and "settled her sons in
it" (1:24). Her eldest son became the first Pharaoh, ruling
"after the manner" of the patriarchal order (1:25), which
the King sought earnestly to "imitate." Thus the
government of Egypt was carried on under the fiction of being
patriarchal while the actual line was matriarchal, the Queen being
"the Wife of the God and bearer of the royal lineage."
(421:47.) But however noble it may be, a matriarchal line cannot
claim patriarchal authority, even though all the parties concerned
are sympathetically portrayed. In all of which there is no mention
of race, though enemies of the Church have declared with shock and
outrage that these passages are proof of Mormon discrimination
against blacks.
Hugh
Nibley
Hugh
Nibley, Abraham in Egypt, p.220:
These
few observations, kept to a minimum, should be enough to make it
clear that there is no exclusive equation between Ham and Pharaoh, or
between Ham and the Egyptians, or between the Egyptians and the
blacks, or between any of the above and any particular curse. What
was denied was recognition of patriarchal right to the priesthood
made by a claim of matriarchal succession.
Hugh
Nibley
Hugh
Nibley, Temple and Cosmos: Beyond This Ignorant Present, edited by
Don E. Norton, p.64:
The
oldest tradition common to many ancient people is that of the woman
who got the secret name from the most high god. It is the Egyptian
story of Re and the Son's Eye. Isis, wishing to found the Egyptian
Dynasty along matriarchal lines by endowing her sons with the
priesthood, begged Re, their father, to tell her his secret name. It
is the story of Epimetheus, who loosed all evils upon mankind when he
deferred to Pandora's request. Recently that story has turned up in
the early Coptic Christian Third Apocryphon of John. Moreover, a
two-volume work by Ludwig Laistner traces the Sphinx motif through
ancient times. In the Bible it is Samson and Delilah. But the most
significant telling of the story is in Moses 5:47-55, the story of
Lamech, which reports how this pattern was spread throughout the
entire world in the abominations of the ancients. This opens up a
whole world of comparative studies telling us how it is that
ceremonies resembling those of the temple are found throughout the
ancient world.
Hugh
Nibley
As
usual, Hugh Nibley tended to see things somewhat differently than the
rest of the Latter-day Saints see them. Hugh Nibley is the only one
that I find who talks about the Matriarchal Lineage or the
Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood, an Order of the Priesthood that
God currently refuses to let mortals have access to. Of course, Hugh
Nibley sees the whole thing somewhat differently than the way I tend
to see it. What does this tell you? When it comes to the
Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood, all that we currently know about
it seems to reside in the realm of personal speculation. Revelation
concerning the Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood is the thing that
the Ordain Women groups should really be asking for, not Ordination
into the Patriarchal or Fatherhood Order of the Priesthood.
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The
Disclaimer and the Declaration of Intent:
At
the moment, this particular issue seems to be of interest to
Latter-day Saints within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. My personal postings regarding the subject have mostly taken
place at LDS Freedom Forum.
Everything
I write about this subject is personal opinion, and none of it should
be taken as the official position of the LDS Church. I have no
authority, right, calling, or jurisdiction to represent the LDS
Church in public.
This
piece is personal speculation, an amalgamation of what has come to
mind over weeks and even months of time. I'm perfectly fine with
anyone disagreeing with me on this or any other topic, and then
having them come online and tell me where they think I got it wrong
and why. The next question and answer in this process has often come
after someone has come forth and told me why they think that I am
losing it.
These
speculative theories developed over time as I read, studied,
pondered, asked God to reveal to me what He wanted me to know about
it, and then wrote the ideas and impressions that came to me
throughout the day and throughout the night. Then I repeated the
same process the next day, over and over again, until the revelations
and insights stopped coming. It was a growth process and a learning
process, line upon line and precept by precept.
I
truly wish that an LDS Apostle would take it upon himself to go
through the exact same process that I went through day after day
writing the revelations, insights, and ideas that come to his mind
and heart, and then when he is done go onto LDS.org and tell us all
what impressions and ideas and visualizations came to his mind. Of
course, it would be even better if an angel were to take Thomas S.
Monson into Heaven, show him how it all really is, and then let
President Monson come back and tell us all what he saw and how all of
this really works there in Heaven.
Meanwhile,
I know that the LDS Church ONLY has access to the Patriarchal Order
of the Priesthood to give to its members.
The
Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood from Adam to Moses was the
Melchizedek Priesthood, and it always traveled from the fathers to
the sons, as God ordained or decreed. (Abraham 1: 1-5). The Aaronic
Priesthood is often described as being an appendage to the
Melchizedek Priesthood; but, they are all the Priesthood of God, and
they are all Patriarchal in nature, meant to travel from the fathers
to the sons. Only the sons of Aaron had a legitimate right to the
Aaronic Priesthood. NONE of Aaron's daughters had that right.
My personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to. But, that's just speculation or guesswork on my part.
My personal belief is that since there is a Patriarchal Order of the Priesthood, then there must also be a Matriarchal Order of the Priesthood that we don't hear about nor have access to. But, that's just speculation or guesswork on my part.
Meanwhile,
if you want to find the Truth of these controversial things, then I
suggest that you turn to the writings and the teachings of the LDS
Apostles for the confirmation that you are seeking. Study it all and
pray about it, asking for the true interpretation and meaning of
these things to be opened unto you. Ask God for your eyes to be
opened so that you can truly see.
What
is my hope? I hope and pray that no Latter-day Saint, male or
female, will allow themselves to be excommunicated from the LDS
Church over the controversial Ordain Women issue. If I can help to
prevent one Latter-day Saint from apostatizing or being
excommunicated over this issue, then I will have accomplished my goal
and my heart's desire concerning the issue.
What
is my desire? I desire to try to help the Latter-day Saints to come
to see the LDS Apostles as inspired prophets of God, instead of as
the silly and quaint individuals that many Latter-day Saints seem to
see them as. I desire to introduce you to the idea of reading the
messages of the LDS Apostles and LDS General Authorities while you
are trying to determine how the things of Heaven REALLY ARE and
really work, so that in fact we come to see things the way that God
the Father sees them.
What
is my goal? To try to find the Eternal Truth of all things, the way
things REALLY ARE there in Heaven. I want to try to learn to see
things the way that God sees them.
What
is my mission? To convert you to the LDS Church and the teachings of
the LDS Apostles, as I have been converted. Remember, conversion to
God and His Church and Heaven is an ongoing and never-ending process.
Even when we arrive in the Celestial Kingdom, there will still be
new and interesting ways in which we can to come to see things the
way that God the Father sees them.
Best
of Luck to You All,
Mark My Words
23JUN2014
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